Magnesium Bicarbonate
Magnesium bicarbonate is the Ultimate Mitochondrial Cocktail. Magnesium and bicarbonate when used together would increase energy in several ways. First, magnesium bicarbonate protects the natural organic and inorganic phosphate buffers in the cytoplasm of cells. Second, magnesium bicarbonate neutralizes the acid produced as a result of metabolic processes and ATP hydrolysis. This allows more ATP to be hydrolyzed; that is, more energy can be utilized. Magnesium bicarbonate buffers the mitochondria in body cells from excess acid concentrations which improves mitochondrial function and allows more ATP to be produced.
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Where does one obtain magnesium bicarbonate?
Thank you.
Allen
http://sodiumbicarbonate.imva.info/index.php/administration-methods/oral-vs-intravenous/
Look on the above site, it explains some of it, but not the amount of each to mix together. We need to buy the books I imagine.
Sodium Bicarbonate you buy in a Grocery shop, a Magnesium Chloride supplier you will find via Google search. Iodine may be a little more difficult.
No doubt the books will tell us.
For a easy and cheap recipe for magnesium bicarbonate water, see:
http://www.afibbers.org/Wallerwater.pdf
Thanks for sharing this Lance,
However I still prefer using magnesium chloride over hydroxide. See my article on the ultimate mitochondrial coctail.
Dr. Sircus
I own your magnesium book and have been using mag. chloride for several years per your instructions with great results for relief of back and leg pain! Please tell me which of your books contains instructions for the dosage and preparation of the Magnesium Bicarbonate you mention above so I can look it up. Thank you!
For information about magnesium bicarbonate see my essay ” The Ultimate Mitochondrial Coctail” in the Sodium Bicarbonate book. Also : check out this site.
Mark,
How do you think the Magnesium chloride oil works? I wonder how much goes in transdermally- it seems that my skin is salty in the morning after I spray it on.
Karen,Most of the magnesium oil is absorbed after about 20 minutes on the skin. It can be rinsed off after that amount of time. Look at Dr. Shealy’s study on my magnesiumforlife site for more information on this and see my essays on that site.
Feel Free to repost on your blog, and thank you!
Dr. Mark
Here is a redo of the link Dr. Mark post on 6 Dec.
http://naturalallopathic.com/cms/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=74:magnesium-bicarbonate&catid=38:magnesium-bicarbonate&Itemid=140
Copy and paste. It would not work (for me) in the form that was posted.
Is there a known contraindication for Mg, NaCarbonate or MgCarbonate? I would think about interactions with Cortisone, methotrexate or Bisoprolol and possibly with metal(Ti) implants.
Many thanks,
Henri
Henri, the same contradictions for magnesium would hold for the mag carbonates. There is a chapter in my Transdermal Magnesium Therapy book about contraindications to Magnesium which includes many of the effects with other medicines. Many medicines cause further depeltion of magnesium, and if you have chronic renal faiulure, excess magnesium in the body is not excreted in the urine and becomes problematic. The only real contraindication to using magnesium in any form is chronic renal insufficiency. Consult with your health care worker.
Sodium is another story altogether, with sodium sensitive people needing to be cautious, though studies have shown that sodium bicarbonate does not raise blood pressure the same way sodium chloride does.
Dr. Mark
Hi Dr. Mark,
Is Arm & Hammer Pure Baking Soda, ok to use.
Only sodium bi carb, aluminum not listed in ingedients.
Thx
We have verification from Church and Dwight who make Arm and Hammer products, that there is no aluminum in their sodium bicarbonate. Apparently other companies just use that fact as an advertising ploy.
However baking soda may contain aluminum.
Hi Dr. Mark,
I was going to try the magnesium oil, but after reading your response about contraindications and renal insufficiency,I wonder if this would be wise. I have a kidney condition called Secondary Obesity Related FSGS, and I am trying to figure out natural ways to restore health. The only meds so far are an ARB-Benicar(15mg)& Spironolactone(50mg). The proteinuria is the big outward problem. What do you think about the magnesium oil for me.
Many Thanks, Sharon
Hi Sharon,
You are right to be concerned and renal insufficiency is the only reason to be very cautious with magnesium oil. Since you are not yet in renal failure and are just spilling protein at this point, you may still be able to use the magnesium oil, but only with proper medical supervision and frequent checking of your blood levels. Work with a qualified health care provider on this issue as your condition can lead to End Stage Renal Disease (ESRD) which would make the risk of magnesium toxicity much greater. The kidneys are the primary means of eliminating excess magnesium from the body. When they are not working properly this process is ccompromised.
Sincerely,
Claudia French RN, LPHA
Assistant Director, IMVA
I think the concern about aluminum comes from confusing baking soda with baking powder. Baking soda combined with an acid in a recipe like pancakes or cake will generate bubbles and therefore make the pancakes or cake rise, like yeast makes bread rise. Some baking powders use Sodium Aluminum Sulfate for the acid, while the Aluminum free baking powders use Monocalcium Phosphate, combined with baking soda. They are clearly listed in the ingredients. I haven’t seen any baking soda that lists any ingredients other than Sodium Bicarbonate, so I’m guessing that there probably is not Aluminum in any baking soda, but just in some of the baking powders. Or maybe most of the baking powders.
Can you make magnesium oil using magnesium flakes? What would be the carrier and what ratio is used? Help!
Becky,
Yes, just use a good spring water or distilled water and add enough to saturate the flakes.
Sincerely,
Claudia French RN, LPHA
Thanks Claudia. I am new at all this and am trying to stock up on the basics. I live in Georgia and this is a scary time.
One more question please for anyone who can help. What are prill beads and do they really purify water? I see that many people say it is a scam.
dr. mark,
i recently came under the assumption that i may have a mito disorder although i am not sure and i am waiting for tests. if magnesium bicarbonate is the ultimate mitochondrial cocktail, will it help to repair dysfunctional mitochondria? in short, could it be a cure or a treatment for mitochondrial disorders? current mito cocktail recipes are limited and do not work well.
thanks for your time
-matt
Dr. Mark,
I was recently diagnosed with intersistal cystitis and am taking Elmiron. Would the sodium bicarbonate be of any help in my situation? I have eaten the “american acid diet” for 62 years and for the last month have totally changed what I eat.
thank you for response,
Nanci
Matthew,
Magnesium bicarbonate definitely is a treatment for mitochondrial disorders, not sure whether we know enough yet to sat “cure”. But it definitely will help your dysfunction. More information would be needed from you to give further recommendations.
Sincerely,
Claudia French RN, LPHA
IMVA
Dear Nanci,
Making your body more alkaline would definitely help you, but this has to be done in conjunction with the proper diet which it sounds like you have already changed. Good for you!
Your pH would need to be checked daily and sodium bicarbonate taken only when you are tesing too acid. Please see the book on sodium Bicarbonate or our sodium bicarbonate site for more information.
Sincerely,
Claudia French RN, LPHA
IMVA
Dear Dr. Sircus,
Thank you for your excellent work. Chronic, debilitating bronchitis is a thing of the past for me. When I feel the symptoms that used to spell weeks of sleeping in a chair and rounds of steroids and antibiotics, I simply start drinking soda water and get my pH to 7.5, and the symptoms never develop into bronchitis. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.
I have trouble getting enough magnesium and want to use a nebulizer. Do I dilute the magnesium chloride with water or put it in full strength? Also, can I put mag., iodine, and soda water in the nebulizer at the same time. How are ways to combine these wonderful nutritional medicines for nebulizing? Are there any dangers to putting the meds directly into the lungs or from combining them with a little water? Can one nebulize sea salt water?
Any suggestions for high BP due to excess weight? I’m working on the weight.
Gratefully yours,
Richard Kirby
Newnan, Georgia, USA
Gratefully Yours,
Richard Kirby, Newnan, Georgia, USA
Dear Dr Mark
I have a few question i have recently been told of your good work and information and i have to say i am facinated by your work.
I have been diagnosed with Granuloma Annulare and has spread to most parts of my body i have been told there is no treatment or cure for this and it will disapear on its own. i was hoping there was something you could suggest.
Also my dad has been diagnosed with fibromyalgia and would be gratefull if you could give me the best way to treat this.
keep up the good work
Deon,
We don’t have spcific information about Granuloma Annulare and its response to sodium bicarbonate but it definetly should respond to Dr. Sircus Protocol. Start aiming for a more alkaline pH, use sodium bicarbonate topically and let us knnow if you show improvement.
Sincerely,
Claudia French
IMVA
Hi Dr. Mark,
I have a water filtration company and was interested in adding magnesium bicarbonate as a post stage to an RO system. Do you know of any food grade chemical companies in the US which can provide me with the mag bicarb in its proper form.
Thanks,
Edo – Florida -
Dear Edo,
We are familiar with a company that makes already prepared magnesium/bicarbonate water but none that has a preparation to add to already filtered water.
Sincerely,
Claudia French
IMVA
G’day,
unfortunately they do not sell Phillip’s Milk of Magnesia in Australia.
Is there any other source or brand name you can think of?
Also, can you add sodium bicarbonate to the made up Seltzer/milk of magnesia combo?
James Milliner
G’day all,
I just found a product in Australia called Unique Water after a google search which is patented for Australia, New Zealand and USA though I do not know if they ship internationally.
The website is http://www.uniquewater.com.au.
Have a look at the scientific section – its fascinating.
Dear James,
Phillips MIlk of Magnesia is also known as Magnesium Hydroxide, you would have to do a Google search for it.
But please note that Dr. Sircus does not believe it is necessary to use anything other than Magnesium chloride and sodium bicarbonate. This is much cheaper than Unique Water….much cheaper, much simpler than making your own mixture, and just as effective. Please read what Dr. Sircus has to say about this in his essay The Ultimate Mitocondrial Coctail.
Sincerely,
Claudia French
IMVA
Is it safe to combine A&H baking soda with magnesuim citrate in water? And do you have any thoughts on an effective natural parisite
cleanse?
Thanks,
Tim
Dear Tim,
Its better not to mix sodium bicarbonate with magnesium. Take them separately, about an hour or two apart.
Sincerely,
Claudia French
IMVA
Curious if Mg Chloride flakes are just as effective to use if they are supplied by a local agricultural/farm outlet stor? My brother in law often commented he fed his cows better than he fed himself ; )
Dear Mark,
No these are not as good , pure or effective as the magnesium chloride flakes from LL’s Magnetic Clay. The flakes you get from the agricultural stores are likely to be contaminated with various things and not packaged under sanitary conditions.
Sincerely,
Claudia French
IMVA
Hi Dear Dr,
Thank you very much for your hard work and the informations you are providing. I am a huge fan of your web site and books.
. If I add 1/2 teaspoon of sodium carbonate with 10 spray of Magnesium Chloride oil to 70 Oz of distilled water and drink all day long, am I drinking a good quality water?and not have to worry about any other type of water?
Roya,
This mix you are making should be just fine.
I tried Roya’s suggested formula (sodium bicarb + magnesium oil). It really tastes good. I used Reverse Osmosis water.
My first question is could the sodium bicarb and magnesium oil spray also be added to fresh green vegetable juice that I make in my juicer? I’m drinking 2 liters of fresh juice a day.
Second question – I usually add 5 “purpHy” pH drops to each liter of my Reverse Osmosis water (the drops are made from Potassium Carbonate, Sodium Bicarbonate & Potassium Hydroxide). Would it be okay to add the sodium bicarb + magnesium oil also or would there be a reaction with the minerals in the pH drops that is contra-indicated?
Deer Larry
We are not familiar with “purpHy ” pH drops……the ingredients sound good but we do not know if there would be a reaction adding these drops to the magnesium and bicarbonate mixture. Dr. Sircus has mainly been an advocate so far of taking his protocol ingredients separately from each other. That way if there is any reaction, it is easier to tell what causes it. Adding some things together might change the acidity or alkalinity and render it not useful as well.
Adding to the vegetable juice should ber ok.
Thank you Claudia. That’s very helpful. My only health issue is neck pain but I’m interested in healthy longevity.
For convenience and economy I started using the homemade concentrated solution of Magnesium bicarb (MoM + seltzer). I add this to RO water and I’m drinking about 2 liters of magnesium bicarbonate water each day, away from food. If I add the concentrated solution to my fresh vegetable juice I’ll be drinking an additional 1 to 2 liters of Magnesium Bicarb liquid.
I also apply 8 sprays of the Ancient Minerals Magnesium Oil twice daily and I take 1 tsp of baking soda in about 6 oz of water 2 times a day. I assume this amount of Baking Soda is okay as long as I don’t get too alkaline. Is that correct?
I saw on the “Mighty Mallet of Baking Soda” page where you said that we need to monitor our pH to make sure it doesn’t go over 7.3. Are you referring to the pH of the saliva? Mine is about 7. My urine pH is about 8.
Thank you
Hi Larry,
Many researchers claim that urine pH is generally more acidic than saliva pH and that this is the function of the body ridding itself of the excess acids. Some also claim that too alkaline a urine will cause more urinary tract infections…it is the acidity that keeps these away. So a urine pH of 8 is high. The pH in saliva is frequently affected by what is recently eaten or drank….so it takes some trial and error to determin where your acceptable levels is at and always check pH of saliva 2 hours before or after eating or drinking anything.
Its not a good idea to use bicarbonate long term, we prefer yo u make dietary changes to increase the alkalinity in your body. Please read the essay on the precautions and contraindications for using bicarbonate . and you don’t state your age. It is recommended that older people not use more than 3 half teaspoons per day as our bodies excrete more slowly as we age and problems can show up faster. …..
Thank you so much. Again, you have been very helpful.
I also saw on the site where you wrote that it is better to take the sodium bicarb and magnesium chloride separately (an hour or two apart) rather than together as magnesium bicarbonate. I think I will try this.
I am assuming that the 650 mg of sodium bicarbonate and 125 mg of magnesium chloride per liter that Dr Sircus mentions in the The Ultimate Mitochondrial Cocktail article would be used for measuring the amount to take. Is that right?
–650 mg of sodium bicarb is about 1/8 tsp
–125 mg of magnesium chloride is 10 sprays of Ancient Minerals magnesium oil
So if I plan to drink 2 liters during the day I could make a 1 liter bottle with 1/4 tsp sodium bicarbonate and another liter bottle with 20 sprays of magnesium chloride. If I alternate drinking the same amount from each bottle by an hour or two, would that be the protocol?
Would it be safe to take this 1/4 tsp of sodium bicarbonate a day for a long period of time? I’m 57.
Larry,
Your plan should work just fine.
1/4 qauarter tsp/day of bicarb in water should be ok….but keep a watch on your pH daily. This is a good way to jump start your more alkaline condition but over the long run you should be changing dietary habits to a moe alkaline forming diet.
I a have quite a bit of digestive issues such as botulism, salmonella, dysentery and other things causing nausea, diarrhea, vomiting, and other digestive symptoms. Should I take baking soda and/or mag. chloride. Need help asap. Thanks
Dear Florica,
That’s quite a list of problems you are dealing with. It seems it would be more appropriate for you to obtain a private consultation with Dr. Sircus. He will need a more detailed account of your past history and treatment in order to then provide you with a complete protocol to solve your issues.
You can request details about the consultation by writing to: [email protected].
I have just recently been researching how sodium bicarbonate can possibly help my condition. I was diagnosed 3 yrs ago w an auto immune disease (lupus). I have joint pain, low white blood ct, daily migraine headaches, fibromyalgia. I take plaquenil, methatrexate, & recently started a new drug approved for treatment of lupus (benlysta).. I have purchased Calm. Is this something that might help my immune system? Any imput would be greatly appreciated. I also am adding some herbal supplements.
Terri-
Dear Terri,
Calm is a form of magnesium taken orally. Magnesium is helpful for Lupus. Give it a try, though the IMVA recommends using transdermal magnesium chloride instead for better effectiveness. You can try both and compare the difference!
Claudia French
IMVA staff
Hi there
On checking with Google about Magnesium Oil there was an inclusion of the fact that it is impossible to obtain oil from a mineral, saying Magnesium OIL is a scam. Makes sense to me and wonder whether we are a gullible lot to buy into this. Comments appreciated as I was just on the point of trying to obtain some. Meantime I bought yesterday some liquid magnesium chloride to try out.
Many thanks for all the interesting data. I am currently reading Dr. Sircus’s book on the subject and have found it incredibly useful and of great interest.
Dear Joy,
Just for starters, magnesium oil is not actually an “oil”. It has a somewhat oily consistency and so the description of “oil” was given to it and sticks. Please give your resource so we can check further on what is being said about magnesium oil. I assure you, it is not a scam at all and all can gain tremendous benefit from the use of this natural form of magnesium chloride. Keep reading Dr. Sircus book and if you are taking the liquid magnesium chloride orally you can still have problems with diarrhea, which is the single most liimiting factor in getting enough magnesium in our bodies, and why transdermal use of magnesium “oil” is so good, it bypasses the digestive tract.
Thank”s to all of you for this very usefull information.
I have stopped taking anti-depressants since a few months and have also various health problems mostly concerning the immune system.
Currently I am having candida overgrowth.
I want to try the intake of magnesium chloride and de sodium bicarbonate on a daily basis but
it is still not very clear for me if they can be taken just after each other or is it better to wait one to two hours between the 2?
also for candida some info says to take 3 times a day 1/4tsp of sodium bica but I read further on the page that 1/4tsp a day is the maximum intake.
Last question: I would like to give this mixt to my animals(dogs and cats), any suggestion about how to administrate and in what quantities?
Dear Francoise,
Its best to take the magnesium and bicarbonate of soda in glasses of water about an hour apart.
Maximum doses for the bicarbonate of soda are recommended at no more than 7 half teaspoons per day if under the age of 55 and if over age 55, take no more than 3 half tsp per day. Check your pH daily and increase or decrease according to that.
I do not know dosages for pets. I understand that sodium bicarbonate can be used for animals , especially when sick, but should be administered under vetirinary supervision where testing of pH can be done. It can be dangerous if given in too high amounts.
Thank you very much for your answer
This is the first time to see this website. It is interesting. I am looking for information to help a friend who recently found out that she has liver cancer and the doctor says there isn’t anything they can do for her.
Linda
Dear Linda,
read Dr. Sircus information on cancer and magnesium., iodine, and sodium bicarbonate.
We have a number of sites containing information you will find pertinent.
http://imva.info/index.php/our-sites/
interesting info.
could you please explain why the Magnesium chloride and baking soda should be taken at separate times? There seem to be many references to a product that combines them, and yet you say repeatedly that they should be taken an hour or two apart. Could you please clarify this? thanks so much
Dear tama,
There is probably no harm in giving them together in small amounts and Dr. Sircus recommends they be used together in baths. There is some advantage to taking them separately however, and one of them is it is easier to ensure that there are no unwanted reactions between the two supplements. Sodium bicarbonate is more easily absorbed when alkaline conditions exist so by taking the bicarb shortly before the magnesium, this will assist in better absorption of magnesium. Taking them separately also ensures that you are getting an adequate amount of each.
Hi, I have been following your facebook page and am gearing up to buying transdermal magnesium oil (bought some bi-carb today) -in relation to aluminium content this is what the website for Australian bi-carb said:
‘As one of Australia’s largest suppliers, McKenzie’s supply only the finest quality Bi-Carbonate Soda through stringent standards. Sodium Bicarbonate is a fine white powder produced through a complex process of combining salt, water and limestone.
There is no aluminium physically added to McKenzie’s Bi-Carb Soda, however it has aluminium naturally occurring at levels of 0.2ppm max (0.2 mg per kg).
Bi Carb soda is truly a wonder product but please be sure you are purchasing a reputable quality product. All McKenzie’s Bi Carb soda is 100% mined in Australia and packed in Australia, ensuring that it meets our high quality standards as you have known for generations.’
Is that aluminium content naturally occuring as they say? I am wondering if using suggested cocktail will be detrimental to my condition, I am female, have high bp managed by meds, and my doctor said my kidney function is not 100%. I read bi carb can assist with restoring kidney function, but magnesium may be an issue. I also weigh 150kg. Is it advisable to go ahead? I am at a loss with approaching doctors here to advise me as their processes are geared to pharma, as expected. Thank you so much for your wisdom and sharing this wonderful natural knowledge xx
Dear Dr mark, just been reading about vitamin k2, it is supposed to help lower blood pressure,I take lots of magnesium, to keep arrythmia in check. BP was 169/77 today i am 55yrs. dont really want anymore drugs for it, I take a diuretic, co amilozide 5mg per day for my bp, please can you advise.
carol
Carol,
You don't mention what kind of magneisum you take nor whether it is oral meds or transdermal.
Transdermal magnesium chloride works better and faster than oral meds and I was personally able to come off all blood pressure medicines for a time when I started taking magnesium chloride.
Why not try increasing dietary sources of Vit. K before going to supplements? There is some good info here from U. of Maryland on Vit. K use.
http://www.umm.edu/altmed/articles/vitamin-k-000343.htm
We can't answer your question in more detail here. Individual problems have to be addressed by Dr. Sircus directly via a consultation with him.
Much more information would be needed for you.
Consultations: http://naturalallopathicclinic.com/
Dear Amanda,
There is no way to be sure that this company in Australia is telling you the truth about the naturally occurring aluminum, besides some deep digging on your part.
Naturally occurring aluminum is in many things mined from the earth and in very small amounts should not be a concern. Even clay has some aluminum in it but that is not released into the body when clay is used orally.
Your doctor said your kidney function was not 100% But what % function is it? His simple statement to you does not mean you have to avoid using magnesium altogether, it depends on how much function you have remaining. But you do need to be more careful and watchful. You need more information from your doctor at least on the lab tests he’s already done.
Bicarbonate can help with kidney function but you really need to know more about your personal condition. Then consider a consultation with Dr. Sircus so he can have adequate information from you. It would seem that a small amount of bicarb per day plus watch your bp would not hurt.
http://sodiumbicarbonate.imva.info/index.php/kidney-medicine/healing-the-kidneys-with-sodium-bicarbonate/
Consultations: http://naturalallopathicclinic.com/
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